The Mass! The Pope! The Roman Church!

Michael · Administrator

The Mass! The Pope! The Roman Church!

The following gems were written by Martin Luther.
Prior to being saved by the grace of God, Luther
was a Roman Catholic priest.

"The Mass is the greatest blasphemy
of God, and the highest idolatry upon
the earth, an abomination the like of
which has never been in Christendom."

"The Kingdom of Christ is a kingdom
of mercy, grace, and goodness. The
kingdom of the Pope is a kingdom
of lies and damnation!"

"The Roman Church has become
the most licentious den of thieves,
the most shameless of all brothels,
the kingdom of sin, death, and hell.
It is so bad that even Antichrist
himself, if he should come, could
think of nothing to add to its wickedness."

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It's true that doctrine divides. It's also true that love unifies. The unity we have in the faith is rooted and grounded in truth and love. Remove truth (right theology and doctrine) from the mix and you have less than Biblical unity. Remove love and you have no unity. Love causes us to seek truth and share that truth with others so that we become more unified. God is truth, and as we are more acquainted with His truth, the closer we are to Him, and the closer we become to each other

simply seth · Subject: Re: The Mass! The Pope! The Roman Church! Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:17 pm

OUCH !

loercase · Subject: Re: The Mass! The Pope! The Roman Church! Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:20 pm

Fam, do you have the context to the quotes. I'd like to see where he was coming from when he said those things. Seems like he was pretty heated.

Michael · Administrator

loercase wrote:

Fam, do you have the context to the quotes. I'd like to see where he was coming from when he said those things. Seems like he was pretty heated.

You wouldn't have to look too far into Luther's works to see his contempt for the Roman system. I don't have the particular context here.

Have you ever seen the movie chronicling Luther's life? That would definitely help you understand it all better.

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It's true that doctrine divides. It's also true that love unifies. The unity we have in the faith is rooted and grounded in truth and love. Remove truth (right theology and doctrine) from the mix and you have less than Biblical unity. Remove love and you have no unity. Love causes us to seek truth and share that truth with others so that we become more unified. God is truth, and as we are more acquainted with His truth, the closer we are to Him, and the closer we become to each other

loercase · Subject: Re: The Mass! The Pope! The Roman Church! Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:42 pm

I saw the move Luther, but I havent really done the research in terms of discerning the historical from the theatrical. However, I feel what you are saying about Luther's contempt for the Roman Catholic system. Do you think that things have changed much in practice since Luther's time?

Michael · Administrator

loercase wrote:

I saw the move Luther, but I havent really done the research in terms of discerning the historical from the theatrical. However, I feel what you are saying about Luther's contempt for the Roman Catholic system. Do you think that things have changed much in practice since Luther's time?

No. They still hold to the ecumenical creeds. Same old RCC.

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It's true that doctrine divides. It's also true that love unifies. The unity we have in the faith is rooted and grounded in truth and love. Remove truth (right theology and doctrine) from the mix and you have less than Biblical unity. Remove love and you have no unity. Love causes us to seek truth and share that truth with others so that we become more unified. God is truth, and as we are more acquainted with His truth, the closer we are to Him, and the closer we become to each other

TwistTim · Subject: Re: The Mass! The Pope! The Roman Church! Fri Apr 18, 2008 1:55 am

loercase wrote:

I saw the move Luther, but I havent really done the research in terms of discerning the historical from the theatrical. However, I feel what you are saying about Luther's contempt for the Roman Catholic system. Do you think that things have changed much in practice since Luther's time?

If you saw the recent Luther.....

There is little Theatrical, other than calming Luther down some.... He had a lot of Harsh things to say.... but it was very accurate other than that......

The Practice of Indulgences.... is still there.... just hidden from plain sight.... but it's there.... took till Vatican II to address it by a Pope, and then it was acknowledged......
The Pope is still seen as Infallible by Catholic Dogma when he speaks Ex Cathedra.....
There is still corruption and wickedness practiced by Priests in many areas (for example, sexual scandals, but also Money scandals and other things yet)......
Though not as much, the Papacy does still have sway with governments.... a lot of South and Central American coutnries that haven't gone to Atheism are Majority Catholic, and run by Catholics....
They still have on display 24 of the 12 Apostles Bones in Vatican City.....
They still bow to the Pope.....
They still practice many things that are not Biblical...

so.... yeah, the Catholic Church didn't Reform much.... it's still full of wickedness that was warned of by all the Protestant Reformers who just wanted to fix it, but those in charge didn't want to fix it..... men like Jan Hus, Martin Luther, and others....

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Let everything I do be done for the Glory of God and not the glory of sod.... I am the child of the dirt man - Adam... let me never believe myself to be so great when my origins are so low.... my only worth starts and ends in Jesus, for apart from Him, I am nothing