simply seth
 |  Subject: Modalism / Apostolic / United Pentecostal  Mon Feb 04, 2008 1:11 pm | |
| Anyone have any info on how , where and why these modalistic church movements began ? |
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Michael
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| | Subject: Re: Modalism / Apostolic / United Pentecostal Mon Feb 04, 2008 1:49 pm | |
| I believe the Pentecostal church is a result of Methodism, but I am not quite sure. I'll get back to you when I find out some stuff. The history of the Pentecostal/Apostolic church is quite interesting.
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It's true that doctrine divides. It's also true that love unifies. The unity we have in the faith is rooted and grounded in truth and love. Remove truth (right theology and doctrine) from the mix and you have less than Biblical unity. Remove love and you have no unity. Love causes us to seek truth and share that truth with others so that we become more unified. God is truth, and as we are more acquainted with His truth, the closer we are to Him, and the closer we become to each other
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TwistTim
| | Subject: Re: Modalism / Apostolic / United Pentecostal Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:36 pm | |
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I don't directly know, but I do know that Azura street lead to the Toronto Airport Movement (They call it "Blessing", I call it falsehood) which lead to International Pentecostalism really taking off.... it could be from that, or it could be directly from Azura...
it looks no different than other pentecostal services I've seen.... lots of noisy repetition.... other than being in Spanish... but then aren't they supposed to speak in tongues of men and angels?!?! cause that would be the closest to another tongue.... then they go into babbel..... odd.....
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Let everything I do be done for the Glory of God and not the glory of sod.... I am the child of the dirt man - Adam... let me never believe myself to be so great when my origins are so low.... my only worth starts and ends in Jesus, for apart from Him, I am nothing
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Michael
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| | Subject: Re: Modalism / Apostolic / United Pentecostal Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:54 pm | |
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It's true that doctrine divides. It's also true that love unifies. The unity we have in the faith is rooted and grounded in truth and love. Remove truth (right theology and doctrine) from the mix and you have less than Biblical unity. Remove love and you have no unity. Love causes us to seek truth and share that truth with others so that we become more unified. God is truth, and as we are more acquainted with His truth, the closer we are to Him, and the closer we become to each other
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G.R.A.C.E. Preecha
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| | Subject: Re: Modalism / Apostolic / United Pentecostal Sun May 04, 2008 10:24 pm | |
| | simply seth wrote: | | Anyone have any info on how , where and why these modalistic church movements began ? |
Late 2nd century, Noetus and Praexus. Popped up again in various forms over the next 2-3 centuries.
Modern - unlearned, untrained pentecostals in the early 1900's. The Assemblies of God has the BEST doctrinal statement on this issue:
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a. Terms Defined
The terms "Trinity" and "persons" as related to the Godhead, while not found in the Scriptures, are words in harmony with Scripture, whereby we may convey to others our immediate understanding of the doctrine of Christ respecting the Being of God, as distinguished from "gods many and lords many." We therefore may speak with propriety of the Lord our God who is One Lord, as a trinity or as one Being of three persons, and still be absolutely scriptural.
* Matthew 28:19 [KJV/NIV]
* 2 Corinthians 13:14 [KJV/NIV]
* John 14:16-17 [KJV/NIV]
b. Distinction and Relationship in the Godhead
Christ taught a distinction of Persons in the Godhead which He expressed in specific terms of relationship, as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, but that this distinction and relationship, as to its mode is inscrutable and incomprehensible, because unexplained.
o Luke 1:35 [KJV/NIV]
o 1 Corinthians 1:24 [KJV/NIV]
o Matthew 11:25-27 [KJV/NIV]
o Matthew 28:19 [KJV/NIV]
o 2 Corinthians 13:14 [KJV/NIV]
o 1 John 1:3-4 [KJV/NIV])
c. Unity of the One Being of Father, Son and Holy Spirit
Accordingly, therefore, there is that in the Father which constitutes him the Father and not the Son; there is that in the Son which constitutes Him the Son and not the Father; and there is that in the Holy Spirit which constitutes Him the Holy Spirit and not either the Father or the Son. Wherefore the Father is the Begetter, the Son is the Begotten, and the Holy Spirit is the one proceeding from the Father and the Son. Therefore, because these three persons in the Godhead are in a state of unity, there is but one Lord God Almighty and His name one.
o John 1:18 [KJV/NIV]
o John 15:26 [KJV/NIV]
o John 17:11 [KJV/NIV]
o John 17:21 [KJV/NIV]
o Zechariah 14:9 [KJV/NIV]
d. Identity and Cooperation in the Godhead
The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are never identical as to Person; nor confused as to relation; nor divided in respect to the Godhead; nor opposed as to cooperation. The Son is in the Father and the Father is in the Son as to relationship. The Son is with the Father and the Father is with the Son, as to fellowship. The Father is not from the Son, but the Son is from the Father, as to authority. The Holy Spirit is from the Father and the Son proceeding, as to nature, relationship, cooperation and authority. Hence, neither Person in the Godhead either exists or works separately or independently of the others.
o John 5:17-30 [KJV/NIV]
o John 5:32 [KJV/NIV]
o John 5:37 [KJV/NIV]
o John 8:17,18 [KJV/NIV]
e. The Title, Lord Jesus Christ
The appellation, "Lord Jesus Christ," is a proper name. It is never applied in the New Testament, either to the Father or to the Holy Spirit. It therefore belongs exclusively to the Son of God.
* Romans 1:1-3 [KJV/NIV]
* 2 John 1:3 [KJV/NIV
f. The Lord Jesus Christ, God with Us
The Lord Jesus Christ, as to His divine and eternal nature, is the proper and only Begotten of the Father, but as to His human nature, He is the proper Son of Man. He is therefore, acknowledged to be both God and man; who because He is God and man is "Immanuel," God with us.
o Matthew 1:23 [KJV/NIV]
o 1 John 4:2 [KJV/NIV]
o 1 John 4:10 [KJV/NIV]
o 1 John 4:14 [KJV/NIV]
o Revelation 1:13 [KJV/NIV]
o Revelation 1:17 [KJV/NIV]
g. The Title, Son of God
Since the name "Immanuel" embraces both God and man in the one Person, our Lord Jesus Christ, it follows that the title, Son of God, describes His proper deity, and the title, Son of Man, His proper humanity. Therefore, the title Son of God, belongs to the order of eternity, and the title, Son of Man, to the order of time.
o Matthew 1:21-23 [KJV/NIV]
o 2 John 1:3 [KJV/NIV]
o 1 John 3:8 [KJV/NIV]
o Hebrews 7:3 [KJV/NIV]
o Hebrews 1:1-13 [KJV/NIV]
h. Transgression of the Doctrine of Christ
Wherefore, it is a transgression of the Doctrine of Christ to say that Jesus Christ derived the title, Son of God, solely from the fact of the incarnation, or because of His relation to the economy of redemption. Therefore, to deny that the Father is a real and eternal Father, and that the Son is a real and eternal Son, is a denial of the distinction and relationship in the Being of God; a denial of the Father, and the Son; and a displacement of the truth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.
o 2 John 1:9 [KJV/NIV]
o John 1:1 [KJV/NIV]
o John 1:2 [KJV/NIV]
o John 1:14 [KJV/NIV]
o John 1:18 [KJV/NIV]
o John 1:29 [KJV/NIV]
o John 1:49 [KJV/NIV]
o 1 John 2:22,23 [KJV/NIV]
o 1 John 4:1-5 [KJV/NIV]
o Hebrews 12:2 [KJV/NIV]
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They expelled all of the modalists from their denom in 1920. Point H. is BLAZIN' son! |
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